DUST Search - How do we increase participation and/or team play?

One Eyed King wrote:

Coleman Gray wrote:

We need a more effective reward system, that only rewards solely based on your contribution

I like this, but this gets complicated.

For example, yesterday, I sacrificed a clone because there was an uplink under a stairwell, the reds were making a move on the objective, so I ran in and threw a flux because that was more important at the time than getting a kill or two. I only got plus 5 for it, but the blues were able to clean up those that got through the uplink so no progress was made.

It is hard to quantify those kind of events.

It would be nice if there were some sort of multiplier to the passive in game SP that your activities could affect.

For example, if you were making some sort of attempt to help be it hacking, killing, repping, dropping uplinks and nanohives etc, you would get an 2x or 3x passive SP. At the same time, they would need to reduce 1x passive SP such that it wouldn't be worth the effort for AFKers, but wouldn't affect anyone making an actual effort.


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Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4120	Posted - 2014.08.03 10:37:00 - [1] - Quote I personally believe incentives drive behavior. To me the current behavior in matches says that players believe they don't have to do anything to get paid OR they don't believe they are paid enough to care. I think changing the incentives to account for both will allow Dust to continue and perhaps even begin to thrive again. What say you? Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4120	Posted - 2014.08.03 10:45:00 - [2] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I'm of the opinion that while incentives are nice they shouldn't be the sole reason for doing anything. Sometimes incentives aren't noticeable, they are hidden within good mechanics/policies Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4120	Posted - 2014.08.03 10:54:00 - [3] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Personally i think ISK payouts should be higher for participation and squads. People who don't even bother to stop AFKing should get maybe 10k ISK/match and 10 SP I totally agree. To help with the situation maybe filling squads automatically as they did in closed beta would at least tempt the scrubs to go toward the area where the green dudes are. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4122	Posted - 2014.08.03 12:04:00 - [4] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Not get stomped and face rolled across the pavement like it's hunting season. If I am redlined I am AFK I'm done. My assets are more valuable than trying to win a lost game. Specially when in the end I still lose and I am down -1M ISK or more. Better payouts and better matchmaking and this issue will fix itself. It's usually the collective efforts or lack thereof that lead to redlines. This is what I'm asking about. How do we get those crapberries to turn into awesomeberries? Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4126	Posted - 2014.08.03 12:30:00 - [5] - Quote My idea is: 1) give ability to sell assets 2) give us the UI to build teams (only allowed in FW and PC) 3) auto fill squads and teams (in FW) 4) increase LP payouts in FW significantly I believe these things would be the incentive needed to operate as a team. Your noobs would enjoy playing it as they would get access to better gear and they'd be mixed amongst more experienced players. Along with this I'd make ambush and FW the only mode you could deploy solo into (no solo in FW unless there's a team currently in queue with open spots). There is some work there that's not currently part of the deal, but you'd have vets dropping cash for LP boosters. That is important because I'm a 60+ mil SP player that will never buy another SP booster again. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4145	Posted - 2014.08.03 20:46:00 - [6] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: how about team deploy and a isk multiplier based on the squad size? i dont like the no solo idea though I don't particularly like it either, but I don't know how else you'd correct the current problem of 80% or more players being solo. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4145	Posted - 2014.08.03 21:00:00 - [7] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Devadander wrote: Nobody ever counter hacked objectives... EVER Give a lil counter hack bonus oh look I think counter hacking should be worth more. It takes more time and effort I think. Sometimes, if I get to blinking objective too late, I will just wait to hack it in order to not give away my position. A red point is a much faster hack, and almost finishing a counter hack, only to have it turn red just give the other team all the time in the world to find you and take you out before you can do your job. Without a doubt, counter hacking should be worth much more than it is. All the people around the counter hacker should get WP too. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4146	Posted - 2014.08.03 21:12:00 - [8] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: We need a more effective reward system, that only rewards solely based on your contribution I like this, but this gets complicated. For example, yesterday, I sacrificed a clone because there was an uplink under a stairwell, the reds were making a move on the objective, so I ran in and threw a flux because that was more important at the time than getting a kill or two. I only got plus 5 for it, but the blues were able to clean up those that got through the uplink so no progress was made. It is hard to quantify those kind of events. It would be nice if there were some sort of multiplier to the passive in game SP that your activities could affect. For example, if you were making some sort of attempt to help be it hacking, killing, repping, dropping uplinks and nanohives etc, you would get an 2x or 3x passive SP. At the same time, they would need to reduce 1x passive SP such that it wouldn't be worth the effort for AFKers, but wouldn't affect anyone making an actual effort. I think you are overthinking it. If you are doing those kinds of things it usually shows up on the leaderboard. It's not always true though, being stuck in a FG suit in a lopsided match can lead to some low WP numbers. But I'd trade sometimes not getting paid well for constant action anyday. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4148	Posted - 2014.08.03 22:01:00 - [9] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: I'd like to see a bonus for actually winning... As well as money gains from time spent in the game removed completely. Currently I just troll about doing nothing, because there's no point me risking my neck for a team that refuses to go near the objective, when I'm gonna get paid the same anyway... That and the suggested 'no reward for killing while in the redzone' will be very nice indeed. Some obvious stuff there. I've seen something recently about making redline matches end faster. I'd add that none of the players in the redline should get anything. I'd like to see them banished to ambush for 24 hours as well. Perhaps too harsh, but I believe drastic measures are necessary or Dust will be dead soon. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42